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</html>";s:4:"text";s:9386:"For Sale: Bass Guitar Strings and Accessories, The TB Bazaar: Gear For Sale from our Sponsors, For Sale: Double Bass Amps, Strings & Accessories, Wanted: Bass Guitars, Amps, and Accessories, Wanted: Double Basses, Amps & Accessories, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). Supporting Members list unlimited gear with no listing fees in the Classifieds, get instant Keyword Alerts, and get Free Shipping at the TalkBass Store. "Let our rigorous testing and reviews be your guidelines to A/V equipment – not marketing slogans", Get our latest product reviews and AV stories emailed to you weekly. ...". Jul 14, 2005 #4 Thanks for your detailed explanation - i will keep it where it is at 4R . The good news is you have a decent amp that should have protection from a low load (though I still wouldn't want to trip the protection circuit), but I have seen plastic parts on an amp melt off (literally put a big hole in it) from driving too low of a load. That is the big difference between the two speakers. To plot a graph you are going to use a transfer function and Laplace, that's all distance memory for me. If your stereo is a Pyle, then your "200 watts" may actually indicate peak power, and not Root Mean Squared (RMS) or DC equivalent power. A bridged stereo amp sees 1/2 the nominal impedance. I ended up here whilst looking for an answer to a question. I think I understand that the primary issue is the amp overheating from too much current going through it with 4 ohm speakers attached. If you would have qualifed 8 ohms at a specified phase angle, then I would have not brought up point. In the case of speakers, an 8 Ohm speaker can only “accept” a load current that is 1/2 as great as a 4 Ohm speaker; likewise, a 2 Ohm speaker can handle a current that is double that of a 4 Ohm rated speaker. plus il faut que l'ampli soit rapide pour limiter la distorsion, Salut, voir BAULET pour l'explication la plus pertinante. Most people have a grossly overblown concept of how much amplifier power they use. ? But as someone else said, you don’t get something for nothing - they will play louder at a given volume setting, but that doesn’t mean their peak SPL is higher. Its easy to calculate it for one freq. Most speakers are rated at 4, 6 or 8 ohms, and cheaper receivers can sometime have issues driving low-impedance (namely 4 ohm) speakers. One would also need the crossover circuit diagram complete with values of every single components used. How often do you look at the specs of a solid state amp, and see, for example: "350w @ 8 Ohm, 500w @ 4 Ohm". I have been struggling to understand the impedence 'matching' issue ever since I acquired a couple of Totem Dreamcatcher speakers + center speaker (4 ohm ratings). You have to keep into account the sensitivity rating of the speakers as well. Now if you are intending on using the 8 ohm speakers, and your amp is … <div class="post-sig post-sig-limit shazam usersig-click"><div class="reparse-sig-lineheight"><b>Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design</b><br><br><i>The Laws of Physics aren't swayed by opinion.</i></div></div>. I suggest very strongly that you assess the accuracy of your statements and include relevant parameters. As long as your amplifiers are running warm but not hot, then all is normal. If a speaker has low impedance, that means it can tolerate more power (a stronger current). JavaScript is disabled. It is mostly a common sense issue. I use a little less than 1 watt per channel in my bedroom system with music peaks around 15 watts. Phase angle alters what the amplifier sees as impedance and simply stating 8 ohms without qualifying a phase angle is only half the story. To make a higher impedance and higher voltage amplifier possible (without going BTl type circuits) would far exceed the voltage the devices are designed around. then how do I interpret the manual's spec that in bridged mode the amp pushes 100 wpc into 8 ohms? You are correct. The Power Output Spec just says: Psycho is correct. Most AVR's can drive 4 ohm speakers to normal listening levels without a problem whether they are rated for it or not. That's beneficial if your amp is underpowered, but otherwise, not really. I don't see much point in even trying to calculate it though degree electrical engineers (obviously self taught individuals could do that too if they are good) should know how to do it. It runs quite cool even though it has very poor ventilation. If one is to do it properly one would likely have to spend some time reviewing their old text books and/or notes, not just electrical circuit analysis but also advanced math including Laplace transforms as minimum. Il est actuellement, Futura-Techno : les forums de l'informatique et des technologies, http://www.jpbourgeois.org/guitar/ampli.htm#evaluation, Équivalent bon marché pour un capteur pression, Compatibilité enceintes 6 ohms avec ampli tuner marantz 2225 L Impédance : 4 à 8 ohms. Denon 3400 vs 3500, 3600 vs current Sony STRDH590. Come join the discussion about home audio/video, TVs, projectors, screens, receivers, speakers, projects, DIY’s, product reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! merci 28/06/2008, 12h29 #28 RyuRay. Comment passer d'une impédance 75 ohms à une impédance 50 ohms . While it is good be knowledgeable and aware of speaker impedance issues, it isn't something that most of us need to worry about. I'm so glad to have read Andy's reply because I started to feel that I was becoming a person that hears differences in mains cables, and that frightened me! A 4-ohm speaker requires more power from an amplifier than an 8-ohm speaker to produce the same loudness of sound. So, in order to satisfy you, here we go: How does a lower impedance load increase the damping factor? Le succès c'est d'être capable d'aller d'échec en échec sans perdre son enthousiasme, Par cyrgui dans le forum Bricolage et décoration, Fuseau horaire GMT +1. An amplifier has to apply twice the voltage to an 8 ohm speaker to get it to allow the same amperage (and thus watts) as a 4 ohm speaker. Well. In my youth my Dad (an electrical engineer) always advised me that 50 quality watts was better than 100 bad watts every day...so for years I ran a Luxman 50 amp set up--I still can't believe I gave that unit away...or what I was thinking. That’s really hard to design around, including the special power supply needs. Like if a head puts out 800w at 4 ohms, it generally puts out between 400 and 500w at 8 ohms. Most semiconductors are operated close to their voltage limit anyway. Other smaller speakers typically have 8-ohm impedances because they use only two drivers and one crossover. My 75 W number is based on a calculation using a formula I ran across that X Watts into 8 ohms is roughly 1.7X into 4 ohms. Since the amps can handle up to 80 watts of power dissipation each, I don't stress the receiver at all even with my 4 ohm speakers. I think you need 10 times the wattage to double the volume (i.e. So except for DIY people such as yourself, it will be much easier to either search for lab measurements (e.g.Stereophile and Soundstage websites) or take their own measurements and plot their own graphs if they have the equipment. After all, we were taught at University that impedance  needs both a magnitude and a phase angle. If they get too hot to touch comfortably, then you are reducing the lifespan of the equipment. As Bill mentioned, they draw more current to get to the same volume level as an 8 ohm speaker. They receive the wattage that comes from your head. Deuxièmement que je vais gagner en puissance (mes 250 w)? This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Loud but cheap center channel for a very large garage? Have fun. 2 ohms speakers wouldn't even be a problem. Thank you ...that is helpful. I think you said it was 75 watts in to 4 ohm speakers. I specifically stated (and you quoted the text) that "There are some other differences that come up with different loudspeaker impedance loads. I currently have a Denon 4520, and that AVR drives my 4 ohm speakers just fine and that with a sensitivity of 88db. All else being equal, you need to double your wattage to hear a noticeable difference in volume. M. m1964 Standard Member. Ohm’s Law is the clearest illustration of this principle, and if you know two of the three terms (the Voltage used in a system, and the current), you can calculate the resistance (V=I/R, where Voltage … The difference is simple. I drive a pair of 4 ohm speakers loud enough that my wife will complain from downstairs about the volume. A 4 ohm speaker will reach the same output level with 0.7 times the voltage swing as an 8 ohm speaker. Since you will be using different speakers, however, you need to take the sensitivity of each set in to consideration. Gold Supporters see zero ads! ELAC speaker designer Andrew Jones. The 8-ohm speaker requires less power to generate the same level of volume as a 4-ohm speaker. There won't be much of a difference between 75 and 100 watts. On se rapproche du tube avec un classe A. Tu tourne en 8 ou 16R avec sa non? So what do you think of the pros and cons of just unbridging the amp and running 4 ohm speakers off of a pair of 45W feeds? 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